Conversation
Intelligence Brief
Setting the Stage
A 14-year partnership built on trust, now standing at the threshold of AI transformation.
Munir and Alan run a ~55-person agency — predominantly NorCal-based, now fully remote — with a partnership forged over 14 years dating back to Sony PlayStation. They've been watching the AI revolution with genuine interest and strategic attention, and have reached an inflection point: the moment where watching becomes doing.
Their team already has a developer using n8n for automation and tooling, but they recognize the gap between where they are and where the industry is moving. This call was about understanding that gap — and exploring whether a collaboration could help close it.
Three Questions That Framed the Conversation
Quantifiable Markers
Key data points that emerged during our conversation.
on the Team
Partnership
Google Channels
Conversion Cycles
Price Points
What We Heard
The explicit themes, aspirations, and realities that surfaced during our conversation.
- 14-year partnership with proven durability and trust
- Sony PlayStation / AAA gaming pedigree
- Published thought leadership in AdAge on agent-to-agent negotiation
- Successfully maintaining a 55-person remote team post-pandemic
- Deep expertise in B2B, lead gen, and higher education verticals
- Developer on staff using n8n for basic automation and tooling
- Watching AI developments with genuine strategic interest
- Internal discussion about security and quality controls around AI
- Google remains the dominant channel (~60% of revenue)
- Automation projects already in flight for clients
- Higher Ed clients are particularly sensitive to AI-generated creative
- B2B/lead gen world has longer cycles and scarcer signal than e-commerce
- Attribution windows stretch beyond 90 days — Meta's frameworks don't fit
- PII sensitivity heightened with healthcare clients
- Sensing urgency to modernize but needing a clear starting point
- Understanding of what's truly possible for a B2B/lead gen agency
- An honest assessment of readiness for AI integration
- A potential engagement structure that respects everyone's time
- Quick wins that demonstrate value without massive organizational upheaval
Communication & Decision-Making Styles
Understanding how each partner processes, evaluates, and acts — so we can build the right kind of collaboration.
A seasoned operator who builds durable businesses through relationships, discipline, and careful decision-making. Intellectually engaged with the AI future — the AdAge piece on agent-to-agent commerce proves that — but wisely focused on translating vision into concrete, operational transformation.
- Communication: Strategic orchestrator. Asks structured, layered questions. Leads with frameworks and controls the room without being domineering.
- Processing: Sequential and evaluative. Wants to understand the full landscape before committing. Decision trees, not gut reactions.
- What drives him: Tangible, demonstrable outcomes with managed risk. Quick wins that build confidence across the team.
- Superpower: Can see the future clearly enough to act on it, while maintaining the discipline to act wisely.
A systems thinker with a PlayStation-era background in building complex experiences under pressure. Drawn to action over theory, Alan processes through possibility rather than risk assessment — his questions are forward-looking, and his instinct is to build.
- Communication: Observer-contributor. Speaks less frequently but with higher signal. When he affirms something, it's genuine.
- Processing: Visionary and conceptual. Thinks in systems, trajectories, and possibilities. Looking for where to jump on.
- What drives him: Operational transformation that elevates capabilities and excites clients. The thrill of building something new.
- Superpower: Values action — "it's inspiring to hear that you're using it, you know? Just doing it." Champions by doing.
How Success Gets Measured
Different partners, different lenses — but complementary definitions of success.
From E-Commerce Principles to Your World
The underlying methodology — customer intelligence, strategic insight, automated execution — is universal. Here's how it maps to B2B, higher ed, and lead gen.
What's Underneath the Conversation
The most valuable insights often live beneath the surface. Here's what the patterns suggest about the real dynamics at play.
A Practical First Step
Not a science experiment. Not an open-ended engagement. A scoped, practical collaboration designed to deliver real insight and demonstrate real value — fast.
Pick one client, one vertical, or one specific challenge — and we build a proof of concept together. Small enough to start immediately. Specific enough to show results. Designed to answer the question: "What does AI-enabled intelligence actually look like for our agency?"
That one step is what the Discovery Sprint is built for. Not ten steps. Not a wholesale transformation. One meaningful, visible step that proves the concept and lays the foundation for everything that follows — at whatever pace feels right.